2023 Global Chinese Philanthropy Panel Discussion

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Are you here?

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Min Zhou: Really? Let's start.

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Min Zhou: Good afternoon.

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Min Zhou: Good evening, and good morning.

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Min Zhou: From Asia and China.

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Min Zhou: welcome to the Ucla Asia Pacific center, global Chinese philanthropy, research and training programs. Panel discussion. My name is Minjo. I am distinguished professor of sociology and Asian American studies.

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Min Zhou: water and Shirley, one in that chair in us China relations and Communications and Director of the Asia Pacific Center

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Min Zhou: before we start today's program, I would like to say a few words about our center and the program.

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Min Zhou: The Ucla Asia Pacific Center promotes greater knowledge and understanding of Asia and the Pacific region

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Min Zhou: on campus and in the community through innovative research teaching public programs and international collaboration.

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Min Zhou: Jenny, could you forward this slide?

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Min Zhou: We focus on inter asian and trans pacific connections from historical. contemporary, and comparative perspective and encourage interdisciplinary work

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Min Zhou: on cross border and super national issues on language and culture, politics, economy and society, and the sustainability

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Min Zhou: in the ongoing processes of of globalization. The previous line please

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Min Zhou: previous one. our center runs the Taiwan studies program.

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Min Zhou: the program on Central Asia, the global Chinese philanthropy research and training program. And we are also working hard to raise funds to rejuvenate our Hong Kong studies Program 2,

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Min Zhou: we also serve as the National Research Center. the Regional Resource Center on East Asia and administered to administer the East Asian foreign Languages and area studies fellowships

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Min Zhou: from the Us. Department of Education, Title 6 Program. Our center has organized a lot of public events. So please visit our website. I'll watch out for our announcements via email.

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Min Zhou: Today's events will be recorded. And please

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Min Zhou: mute yourself if you have any questions pretty right down on the chat box, and we will address some of these questions. if we have time in the Q&A session.

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Min Zhou: So today's panel discussion is part of our center's global Chinese philanthropy research and training program funded by the Cyrus Town foundation. And this program is built on the global Chinese Philanthropy Initiative.

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Min Zhou: where our center has served as an academic partner since 2,017, and that initiative was funded by the long family foundation.

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Min Zhou: The current Gcp program integrates network building research and training to bridge intellectual inquiry and professional practice in the field of global Chinese philanthropy it aims at for storing passion, interest and voluntary some stimulating innovative research ideas and sharing best practices in the field.

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Min Zhou: Our program includes 3 components. One is to maintain and expand

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Min Zhou: the global Chinese philanthropy research network.

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Min Zhou: Second, is to organize a quarterly public lecture series.

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Min Zhou: And third, one is an annual training workshop.

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Min Zhou: The annual training workshop is designed for undergraduate and graduate students, with the primary focus

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Min Zhou: on inspiring young minds, fostering passion and wrenches and nurturing the culture of philanthropy and civic engagement.

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Min Zhou: So after today's panel discussion, our enroll students will stay on for another 90 min to have a more in-depth discussion.

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Min Zhou: Our Gcp program has currently 8 institutional partners.

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Min Zhou: including those institutions in the Us. Southeast Asia, like Singapore and Malaysia as well as China.

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Min Zhou: and we welcome other institutions in China. Asia.

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Min Zhou: and the Us. And other parts of the world to partner with us in promoting and developing the feel of Chinese.

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Min Zhou: global, Chinese philanthropy. So today's panel discussion is shown by 5 distinguished panelists.

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Min Zhou: Mr. Leochu, chairman of Morning Light Foundation.

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Min Zhou: Miss Vivian, long executive director of the Long Family Foundation.

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Min Zhou: Mr. Peter A. CEO of Chinatown Service Center, Los Angeles.

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Min Zhou: Professor Chen. Gang to from Nan Kai University in China. and Dr. Marina Dan Harper, Director for International Development at Uc. Davis

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Min Zhou: and daughter Marina Town will serve as

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Min Zhou: the moderator for today's discussion. Session

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Min Zhou: Now it's my pressure to introduce Dr. Marina Dan Harper.

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Min Zhou: Dr. Harper received her Phd. In Philadelphia from the Lily Family School of Philanthropy, Indiana University, and has done research on Diaspora, Chinese philanthropy.

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Min Zhou: Dr. Harper is currently currently senior director for International Development at Uc. Davis.

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Min Zhou: She has customized giving platforms for alumni

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Min Zhou: parents and friends of the Uc. Davis to give

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Min Zhou: from Asia, Europe, Latin America and Canada. understanding local, giving traditions.

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Min Zhou: propensity to give affinity, connectedness, and readiness

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Min Zhou: of varied constituents on the ground she knows this is not one size fits all fundraising, so she knows a lot about development. And without further ado, let's welcome Dr. Marina, Dan Hopper and the distinguished panelists for a enlightening

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Min Zhou: and stimulating discussion.

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Min Zhou: Dr. Hopper, take it away.

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Marina Harper: Thank you. Dr. Professor toe

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Marina Harper: We are so lucky today, and so please to have our 4 distinguished guests which you have heard join us in this panel discussion on global Chinese philanthropy.

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Marina Harper: Mr. Who is the chairman of

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Marina Harper: Morning Lights Foundation, is the first generation philanthropist. usually foundations go on forever for a long time, and sometimes we don't meet the founder. But today we're so lucky. We meet Mr. Who is the founder of the foundation.

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Marina Harper: Miss Vivian Long is executive director of the John and Maryland family foundation. She is a second generation philanthropist, following her parents path. So her parents was the first generation who founded the foundation. So now here we got a first gen, and we got a second Gen. philanthropist. So we're going to get a very nice broad view of things.

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Marina Harper: Mr. Peter, who is the CEO of L. A. Chinatown service center, and he was also the former president of the Chinese Consolidated Benevolent Association of Los Angeles. Now this is this

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Marina Harper: other organization that Mr. P. Certainly is from is very important for dioxide

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Marina Harper: giving, whether it's Chinese or other communities, because usually for these ethnic communities, this is where philanthropy starts

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Marina Harper: in these benevolent or in Singapore. I'm originally from Singapore. We call them plan associations here. Maybe call thong T. O. Ng, in Tantanis, is he? He might tell you more later. so

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Marina Harper: And Dr. Tiancantu whom I knew when I was at the Lily family school. So nice to see you again. Dr. To He's professor of sociology from 9 time university In addition

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Marina Harper: to scholarly path breaking research on Chinese philanthropy and civil society in China. Dr. Chu is also a practitioner who is actively engaged in philanthropic work of nonprofit organizations in China. Well, a very well welcome to all of you in the panel

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Marina Harper: to set the stage and kick, start our discussions. I would like to first share the definition and scope of philanthropy in the American context. I'm here. I'm going to go to share screen.

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Marina Harper: All right. Let me see.

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Marina Harper: I've opened up my slides here

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Marina Harper: and I click on share stream.

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Marina Harper: Right? Yeah. Now, are you guys seeing this?

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Marina Harper: So this definition, all right, fantastic. You're seeing it right? So this definition, philanthropy is voluntary action for the public good.

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Marina Harper: This is the broadest definition by Robert L. Peyton.

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Marina Harper: Now, why is he so important, Robin? He was the first full time professor of philanthropic studies, and one of the founders of the center and philanthropy that evolved to what is today the Lily family school of philanthropy in Indiana University. The first of such in the world is the first time when philanthropy used to be a practice. Oriented art and profession is now gone into academia.

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Marina Harper: and Robert Payton was a very critical guy in this

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Marina Harper: evolution as an educator, Payton pushed to show that research informs practice

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Marina Harper: and practice, informs research, breathing life into the concept of philanthropic studies

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Marina Harper: and training philanthropic leaders for the field.

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Marina Harper: So I'm type paid to this definition. I want to emphasize. Okay? So you look at this voluntary isn't a voluntary action.

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Marina Harper: voluntary action. We includes giving donation, which is money

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Marina Harper: service, which is time and expertise. It also includes in kind assets.

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Marina Harper: you know, jewelry or your stock your house. It also includes vehicles and instruments to deliver philanthropic action. Right? You can't just get into the air. You need these vehicles and organizations. They could be called Npos nonprofit organizations, which is what America uses the terminology some in the outside of America you might hear the word Ngos non-governmental organizations.

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Marina Harper: so sometimes they're also called Csos civil society organizations, and sometimes called social enterprises. So all these are the vehicles

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Marina Harper: and the In this statement that Robert Payton say it must manifest in action to be classified as philanthropy. It can be just an idea or a thought right with talking about voluntary action, philanthropic action.

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Marina Harper: it must have a specific purpose to achieve some vision of public goods

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Marina Harper: broadly. This would include things like relieving the suffering of others whom you actually have no formal legal responsibility for

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Marina Harper: improve the life quality of life in the community. And they also. It's a model dimension here.

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Marina Harper: intervening in other people's lives for their benefit.

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Marina Harper: For example, social justice for the voiceless, the suppressed. I have a donor who told me he's her father. This is like an older generation would buy a coffin for someone who's passed away. He doesn't even know the guy. He's passed away. He has no family to bury him. He would pay for the coffin and the last rights.

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Marina Harper: that that is moral dimension, where he feels that every individual should go off from this world in style, right in a nice coffin, and with the last rights being performed for him.

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Marina Harper: You may here other words, weaving in and out like charity, benevolence, altruism, humanism, a humanitarianism

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Marina Harper: tithing. So what's the difference? Or even the what civil society?

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Marina Harper: So now we're coming down to nuances. And I want to clarify 3 big words. Here

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Marina Harper: charity is a natural emotional impulse in response to a immediate situation. It comes from your heart because it's an impulsive action. for example, your car stops as a red light.

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Marina Harper: Right, a stop sign.

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Marina Harper: and a child, and the parent comes to you and ask for some money. You don't. You don't know the person, but they look like they're really in dire need for help, because they look scrawny. They have tactic clothing, and they're all dirty, you know that they haven't had the bath or

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Marina Harper: a shower for a long time. You take your money out and you give that is charity. Your heart is moved. It's coming from your heart. You don't question whether they have a plan or anything, but you know that you want to do some good for the person standing in front of you.

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Marina Harper: No, philanthropy is quite different.

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Marina Harper: Philanthropy addresses the root cost of social issues and requires more strategic, long-term approach for systemic change. So if you keep seeing all these problems, then you think.

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Marina Harper: Well, I can't be doing one by one like that, you know I that needs to be some plan and understand. Read some data and see what's going on. Why are these people lending themselves in this kind of situation?

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Marina Harper: So this kind of philanthropy at the level of philanthropy. It might include advocacy, collaboration, leverage, influence, lobbying.

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Marina Harper: It's coming from the head.

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Marina Harper: But a philanthropy part has the head and civil society emphasizes values-based values, laden nature of intervention

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Marina Harper: to fill the gaps that are underserved by government business. A private.

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Marina Harper: Now, if if there's no profit, business won't take this job right? So there's a gap already. Sometimes even government doesn't want to take the job because nobody has proven to them what the solution is. And that's where philanthropy comes in.

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Marina Harper: from the lens of moral dimension, for example, defending citizen rights, upholding social norms and behaviors for human development or national development.

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Marina Harper: All right. So I just wanted to set the stage from the American context. But now I'm going to

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Marina Harper: pose, question one to our panel here and ask you, how do you personally

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Marina Harper: define philanthropy from where you are involved with it?

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Marina Harper: What is your perspective, and what is your experience now? These words, philanthropy, everything.

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Marina Harper: It's up to us

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Marina Harper: eventually to also help define this especially, we're talking about Chinese

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Marina Harper: diaspora philanthropy in the context of America.

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Marina Harper: May I ask you to stop first.

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Leo Chu: Okay. I I agree. Everything you said. I think, one more. The very important thing is, philosophy has to come from your heart

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Leo Chu: and your passion

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Leo Chu: and your love. So I think this is very important for Chinese. You know I'm the first generation in the United States. I came here 1,975 from Hong Kong. I was born in China. So the Chinese way of looking at the lots of people is doing good things, doing good deeds is allowed to come. Go back to the old days about that. The family always teaches. Hey? You better do something good. In case you do something bad, this will compensate.

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Leo Chu: This will compensate what you have done. Okay, and this is a pay back. That. So this are all the is is from Buddhism, from you know, all the superstitious type of things that's started from that. So I was totally pleasantly surprised that it's actually a school of philanthropy. I mean, you know, any school I mean, this is wonderful, because from a philanthropy is basically

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Leo Chu: basically hand hand your hand out and said, Please give me some money or help. Mostly it's about money.

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Leo Chu: Okay, so is it has to be from Hub. But Chinese Chinese family education, you know Chinese don't really have a thing called philanthropy is doing good things could be Chinese always say, if you save on people's a person's life, you're building 6 steps to the heaven. Okay, the Buddhist. So it's a lot of it. This is superstitious for confusion and all that kind of stuff. Well, basically is teaching you do something good.

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Leo Chu: So that's, I think, from a lot of this, from also family education. You know you, you talk about these things over data tables, father, mother, you know I came from my fault. Okay, my father is not big philanthropist, but he doesn't understand his very little education from a very moderate family. So I mean, but he understands one thing, he said, hey, if I have

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Leo Chu: 2 balls of rice, I want to share one with somebody else. Okay, this is what the berries in my mind. when when when we listen to his talks, and mother and all that kind of stuff. So this is a a very basic education for Chinese

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Leo Chu: culture and family. This how I think this is my, it came to me. That's why, when I came to the United States, I mean, you know, for a long time. So I really

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Leo Chu: got into the the

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Leo Chu: giving away and giving away to the communities. Get back to the communities. What does that mean? What does that mean? And I I can see it on the Board of Special Olympics for 27 years.

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Leo Chu: So that that's not give me money or anything that's giving time.

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Leo Chu: Spent time with people. I mean. Time is a much more valuable than money. Okay, I love people who wrote a billion dollar check to build 6 buildings. But I love the people who actually devote their life for charity.

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Leo Chu: Okay, people like. by the time you said

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Leo Chu: that type of thing. So I think this is the thing very important. Culturally, how we can do this between the East and the West, and obviously all things little differently and culturally, but also politically as well.

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Marina Harper: I think I've talked enough. Wonderful! Wonderful! You you spoke with such passion. I just love it. I did the the the phrase

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Marina Harper: come across like, you know, give back to the sauce that you took from.

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Marina Harper: are you? The the is your thought that way?

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Leo Chu: No, no, I don't think that I think the source is important, but if the source can give me resources, they need less of my help.

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Marina Harper: Okay, I'm not the ones that don't have the sources. This is where I say it needs help.

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Leo Chu: You know, one of the things is that when you help other people to lift them up. basically, you level of the

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Leo Chu: wealth, get

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Leo Chu: how you can help the people this pull. Okay, to get a better job. Okay, what about being doing business themselves to get a better job? You need education.

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Leo Chu: Okay? So that's why I say, education is right, absolute vital, how you can pull people out of poverty, how you can train people, how it's

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Leo Chu: I mean in, in, in schools, basically to teach you be a good person.

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Marina Harper: Yes, yes.

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Marina Harper: wonderful. You speak so well about it.

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Marina Harper: Now we're going to go to Vivian. the second generation philanthropist, and see how you define

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Marina Harper: and think about philanthropy.

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Vivian Long: Sure. Well, it's wonderful to be on this webinar with everybody. Thank you so much, Dr. Harper, for I think orienting us all around this topic, and I agree with what you said. I agree with what Leo said, and I'm eager to see what everybody else has to say. But

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Vivian Long: I think for me philanthropy is a piece or an activity of a larger mindset, that I think of called stewardship and stewardship, I think, is much more expansive than philanthropy, but philanthropy is a really important piece of stewardship. But

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Vivian Long: you know, when I think about stewardship, as Leo said, there are so many resources that all of us are stewards of, and I think one misconception of giving and philanthropy is that you have to have a lot of resources in order to do that. And when you think about stewardship, you know, each of us have skills to contribute. Each of us have circles of influence and resources to give

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Vivian Long: and really thinking about. how do we contribute to the things that we care about, to the causes that we're passionate about? Philanthropy is one of those activities that we can partake in to express that stewardship. And you know, as Leo said, and you know, with deep admiration for the many boards he serves on, and Peter as well

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important alongside philanthropy.

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Vivian Long: So you know, when I think about philanthropy specifically I think it's one part of a larger ecosystem that really contributes back to social good and you know it. It

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Vivian Long: it inherently, I think, has a financial component, at least in the Western society, but it doesn't negate and actually is really dependent on the other components of giving, giving, of time, giving of talent, giving of treasure. And so I think if we can look at philanthropy as one piece of a much larger you know, pie of resources that's necessary to make sure the communities that we care about are served

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Vivian Long: it. It helps Us all understand our unique positions better.

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Vivian Long: I think, in our foundation. Some of our unique approaches to philanthropy are that we really care deeply about partnerships. And so we work at the foundation. We are fortunate enough to work with a pretty small number of partners that we really deeply care about and have cultivated relationship over a number of years. So one of the models that we use is trust-based philanthropy.

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and you know I've been in this role for about 7 years. I came from working at a nonprofit before which I think really help inform our strategy.

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Vivian Long: But we started to understand that one of the biggest needs for an organization was a long term commitment as opposed to just a one time commitment and also understanding what the organizational needs are beyond just supporting programs. And so we've made that change to really increase some of our portfolio giving in that way.

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Vivian Long: And then I would say, the second part is really caring deeply about the leaders that run these organizations so as funders. Oftentimes, I think, we are really

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Vivian Long: lauded, or success is attributed to us, and the reality is, you know, we have just provided financial resources, but the reality is the nonprofit leaders, the nonprofit teams, the board, the volunteers. They are the ones who have the deep knowledge of the community, the deep partnerships, the deep relationships, and most importantly, the trust. And so if we can really empower them to do that work, it is so much more

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Vivian Long: I think, successful for everybody. And so how I think, as a Funder, one of the big questions we've been asking is, how do we make sure the nonprofits that we are partnered with are the healthiest versions of themselves.

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Vivian Long: you know. And so we've gone down a path of, you know, supporting some capacity building efforts. we've done some operational grants to help hire staff. And we really see that as an important part of the mission, even though it not isn't necessarily as programmatic specific. we see that as a really important way to make sure these organizations are sustainable and could continue doing their work as long as they want to and are capable of.

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Marina Harper: Very good. I I really like the fact that you're looking deep into the sustainability of the structure the body first, before they can even go outside and do the work, and nonprofits suffer a lot from this kind of capacity building, because nobody is giving to the capacity building. They all want to do program right right now. It's very good to segue into a nonprofit organization here. Mr. Peter. and tell us from your lens.

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Peter Ng: Well, thank you so much. inviting me to this workshop. Dr. Hopper.

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Peter Ng: Absolutely. I agree totally with Leo and Vivian. we always grateful to the foundations that really supported organizations, such as China and our service center. we still even though this is our 50 s year.

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Peter Ng: but we still cherish the time when we first started. We started with one person, one desk, and out of volunteer like you said, we want to help. So I think bottom line is we all come from teaching or a culture that

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Peter Ng: helping people is the right thing to do. When I was small I was taught that if they used to do one good d.

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Peter Ng: So this is how we are bring up in the Chinese culture. And then, Being a immigrant myself, I came here when I was a teenager.

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Peter Ng: and my parents, because of lack of language, and also to the the knowing. The knowledge of this new land. We were also in a fisher of

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Peter Ng: that the community really embrace and support. Because when you're in England you need help from all sources you can. So Dr. Hopper mentioned that I was the president of Ccba. which is the very early stage for of

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Peter Ng: but it would not be able to sustain a long run, because the need is always exceeding the the the, the resources that to help. So that's why we have to have a regular staff to become

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Peter Ng: so that that is the way for the United States, which is I I think it's quite a mature compared to the other countries. And I I've been to several other country to observe, and I've learned so

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Peter Ng: for being at the limit of the it's so important for the society that have. This is a. It's a balance for the society where people, if they need help, they come and set up They would lose faith and do things that they may not be good healthy for them. So it's so important that

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Peter Ng: we can exist and also collaborate with other organization, and and also to show so many of the the the that we see it through the year the the folks that need to help. They don't know where to go to.

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Peter Ng: The the government is not really looking to help them. So there's a mistrust there, and and they very conservative also. So who they go to. They go to the friend, and also to an organization. Actually, Peter, this is a good time that I want to intercept to introduce the what mutual aid

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Marina Harper: this, what neutral it is, it's very often in diasporic communities. So Chinese dioxide is spread out all through the world, and mutual, it is actually

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Marina Harper: self help help one of your own. Now, in the Us. Mutual, it is not typically, typically counted as philanthropy or charity in us, giving data because

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Marina Harper: but mutual aid is when everyday people get together to meet each other's urgent needs for survival. Migrants fleeing from their home countries, usually with land in the new country, needing food, medical aid, housing jobs, education at the same time.

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Marina Harper: So mutual aid is based on the principles of direct action, cooperation, and solidarity

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Marina Harper: Circumstances at hand has forced people of mutual understanding to be generous. Unknowingly they have been forced into philanthropy in some ways. because they get in the philanthropic action because they see one of their own suffering.

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Marina Harper: They want to help one of their own, that is, from the same dialect group, or the last name you know. in in us. You call it the Thong Kong. I come from Singapore is called Clan Association. so that is a very natural thing. And many people actually get into philanthropy because they got involved in

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Marina Harper: And then they see this like. So this is actually a very typical Chinese. philanthropic action. I'm going to share screen again

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Marina Harper: So here's the diagram.

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Marina Harper: You notice how Just now we talked about family giving family extended family here. This is where the mutual, a client and dialect group, and then they start to give you. You can see it's going from inside to outside, right. So you are actually practicing philanthropy and in the family extended family client village, and then some. Then you realize, oh, I can give further out you further out.

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Marina Harper: This is very, very typical of Chinese D for philanthropy. in the Us. Or in many other countries. Also.

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Marina Harper: I better move on, plot along and invite Dr. To not, Professor, to. To. Now speak about this definition from China Point, China's point of view, and I'm sure he's got a lot to teach us here. I'm going to not share.

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Jiangang Zhu: Thanks, Marina. Very happy to meet you again. I I completely agree with. Leo we've been. And Peter's point. And yeah, I think philanthropy is really the act of giving resources time money, all the expertise to help other elite.

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Jiangang Zhu: I I think that's very universal definition. And when I was in the Dd family school of in In Dallas, I really is

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Jiangang Zhu: the struck by the the definition from the rope of the pattern. It's a voluntary action for public good. I even heard of the song by them. I'm sync, I've the deeply moved by this definition. I I think this shows very important. but to in I I mean in that I. As I apologize, I think that in the different, the cultural different cultural contacts, maybe the definition they are very different to emphasizes.

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Jiangang Zhu: some I think, from the main and the china. I'm I just feel that people talk about the philanthropy is often emphasized on the as a sense of the social responsibility. It seems like it's not only about the issues of the resources, but also about the the responsibility. The people, the individuals have the responsibility for the to the family

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Jiangang Zhu: to a extended family, to the community, and to the country and to the world. So I I think. people maybe sell a very different ways to

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Jiangang Zhu: and the individuals and organizations. we engaging in philanthropy may have the different innovation or approaches. but I think this our tradesmen. that's responsibility that as some just like Marina side is a mutual aid, is a spirit of a new to a very important, I think, for the for the definition of the philanthropy in the Chinese. you know, Chinese cultural context.

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Jiangang Zhu: in my that's that's just I I totally agree with that. So that's why, when I was joined the to build the the committee foundation in China, the first the committee foundation quantum. How many foundation we just the focus on that. Why, we just to emphasize as a meetings of the community from the family, that the Chinese people were extended to the community, to a neighborhood

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Jiangang Zhu: to the rural community. So we we just because that's very important to connect to the spirit of the philanthropy, because for the Chinese. Maybe they just not define a very clearly between the public and the private, the just, the

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Jiangang Zhu: stride sprite, the the the spirit of from the family, from the the our extended family and it to a community. I think we think that's that's the that's the of the all the philanthropy spirit. in in Chinese cultural of, of course, I think, is a very strong moral meetings of philanthropy in the Chinese context.

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Jiangang Zhu: We think that's the the people. there's a P. People if they want to grow up themselves. So to perfect, perfect as a heart, the mind the

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Jiangang Zhu: so for images I put some good they needed to do something in the philanthropy, so philanthropy is a very important. The the part of the grow up of the life. so that's that's what I have done in China. We try to

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Jiangang Zhu: it. Try to do the education on the young people through the finance. We think they think of the philanthropy they very important for their growing up, especially when they want to become the citizen. Sometimes it's a world citizen. They need to to do some philanthropy and to experience the the spirit of the philanthropy in the heart, and the new, and the how to do the voluntary action, and then

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Jiangang Zhu: why they want to do, and why? What is the public good, and how to make the the change of the society. you know, in in in China we are very like of the civil society, so that people lead to our rebuild. All this mic is the innovation to build the society. Philanthropy is a a very good way for that.

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Jiangang Zhu: So when you see them. see that it people still in have the different, the definition of the philanthropy even now. from the sociology. So to see that people are something that's a reach. They reach people to something that everyone has a responsibility to do. The philanthropy even we have the law of the philanthropy. We have the definition, very clear definition of the philanthropy in the law.

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Jiangang Zhu: but the people still do the very, very different things. So think that. And now that I think in my experience of the training and the education of the philanthropy, I feel the people they just see. That's a very effective trial to participate in the in the social affairs and to even they can do some innovation.

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Jiangang Zhu: Our social innovation for some way as as a philanthropy way under to try to involve themselves into a social transition of the main in China, which vary, I think it's supported the with Strong, supported by the best part of Chinese people from the world.

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Jiangang Zhu: Yup, that's what I want to share that. Thank you.

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Marina Harper: Thank you, Dr. to

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Marina Harper: Very nice. Now we're here. A different flavor, a different context. That was very useful. I'm going to plow on to question 3. Looking at the time.

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Marina Harper: question. 2. Sorry. What was your philanthropic journey like?

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Marina Harper: Who influenced you into philanthropy? And how do you decide now on a daily basis or yearly basis. Who, what, when, where to give?

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Marina Harper: Is it it deliberate that you chose to be a philanthropist, or did it? Did philanthropy choose you

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Marina Harper: do you do it from the head, from the hot moral dimensions. So give us a sense. I go back round full circle to Mr. You, too.

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Leo Chu: well, it's it's a very interesting journey.

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Leo Chu: in Hong Kong. I came here when I was 33 years old already. Okay, so I started business. And this, actually, Peter, I'm very interested, you know. I'm very

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Leo Chu: not very. But I know your China Test service very, very well. in my old company that we are one of the we are one of the bigger employers of that service is we find out this. Really. I mean, you're thinking, helping people, you know, helping people. I don't think I'm doing a favor. I think they are doing me A. They provide me with the people that we can communicate with our own language, and they help us, and we can my job

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Leo Chu: and those some of those people. The first day they come here, and the second day they come to work in my company, and we still communicate with you. Get together and all that kind of stuff. So I think I think it's a very mutual thing that helps each other. And I never think about

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Leo Chu: offering something to the people who can afford to hire them and stuff on. This is basically get them a new life. I think this very, very important, and some of my ex employees that actually came from Chinatown service. I mean, they are doing so well, and there is totally totally they. They basically built themselves into a whole different level of

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Leo Chu: people, so I can go on and on law. But talk about that. Then I got something that.

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Leo Chu: like special Olympics. My special Olympics is is a is a very interesting organization, is We raise money and we help people who are mentally returned.

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Leo Chu: What? Mentally we, Todd? So that is really, I mean, government gave us some money, and we do fund raising. So my wife, chairs and function call queue to so, and for 2524, 24 years, because, Covid, we cannot go on with the outside meetings, or maybe public meetings and stuff like this. So all this is changed. But what I see is, we make so many people. We train Southern California special Olympics. We train

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Leo Chu: 13,000 people. We have 25,000 volunteers. All the 25,000 volunteers are mostly either families or friends. Of all these, what we call essence.

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Leo Chu: As a matter of fact, 2,006, I think I know not 2,006 one year. We actually held our special Olympics summer game. Intellectual summer came in Shanghai. Okay? And I was, what's nature was then, I think, the governor. And then, we all went to Shanghai. So this is a different kind of philosophy.

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Leo Chu: Basically, you want to be involved by, you see so many mentally to talk to. mentally retarded people. They actually run, jump, swim. They even buy forces and create games, I mean, so the people who are more happy than those those as these other families.

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Leo Chu: because my first experience is my father's manager in Hong Kong. He?

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Leo Chu: Yeah, he had a he had a a, a daughter who had to go to special school, and in Chinese culture. When you have a family member like that. You don't bring that person into the oh, okay, you want to hide that person. Why? Because other people say, Hey, what's wrong with your family must done something wrong. That's why you got punished.

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Leo Chu: So that was the thinking. So this is the thing that got me in involved in, hey, how? We can actually not just make other people's life better or make more money actually make them happy.

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Leo Chu: I continue the journey. Basically, I am interested in 2 things in education and also in health care.

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Leo Chu: this, all this, my, my foundation, started 17 years from now 18 years. And basically on one purpose. Okay to help. Poor Chinese students cannot afford to go to school.

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Leo Chu: we all ideal. So how do we start? We start building elementary schools in those days they call the School of Hope.

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Leo Chu: She wants you. She'll share okay until until but maybe 6 years later, Chinese government says we don't need you to build any more elementary school. This is another subject. Okay, China has has different rules and stuff. So so we stopped that. So what do we do? Then we started with

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Leo Chu: scholarships. We have 400 scholarships for Chinese students go to university in real poor states. Okay, so try and underway bombshe all those really really poor, I mean, people go to Shanghai people, but it's beautiful. They have not seen poor China yet. That's really poor. I mean, you have no idea. You have no, absolutely no idea how poor.

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Leo Chu: Okay? And so some of the students cannot afford. Okay, because they they far away. They have a walk. They don't have money to keep the bus. So we come up with another program to subsidize them to live

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Marina Harper: you the University. So now you give scholarships to us.

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Leo Chu: I think we have a problem because we have a privacy privacy laws. We cannot disclose the information of people who are involved in this. Okay? So now we don't. We cannot do those scholarships in China. So what we do is we stop doing scholarships for Chinese students coming to United States, and also with Chinese sense

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Marina Harper: and here how your journey is because your parents passed the but on to you.

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Vivian Long: Yes, they did, I think, for us. the the family foundation was established by my parents back in 1992. So it's been around for over 30 years now, and when the foundation was starting out my sisters and I were quite young, and so we didn't even know about the foundation's existence. It was very private and a way for my parents

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Vivian Long: to live generously but they didn't really involve us at the foundation until we were adults until we were quite a bit older.

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Vivian Long: However, I think that when we did learn about the foundation it really didn't come as a surprise to us, because I think the model of giving and the model of generosity that my parents had themselves practiced and had really encouraged us to also practice was very consistent with what they wanted to do with the financial resources they had been given.

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Vivian Long: And so you know, I remember when I was young, instead of getting birthday gifts, my parents would have me collect shoes, and we would give them to communities in Mexico and

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Vivian Long: you know, instead of when I turn 16, I did a fundraiser, for you know, a nonprofit of my choice, and so I can see now, looking back on it the way in which they were really encouraging my sisters and I to think about, you know, one, the position of privilege that we were in, but also really what we could do to give back. So I think it was consistent. Once. They shared about the foundation, and you know, their hopes for the foundation

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Vivian Long: that we would step into that role. So I know you asked a little bit about decision making and how we determine what we're going to give to. So our family foundation. we have 5 areas of focus. And you know, really how we determine these 5 areas of focus was by saying, what is our family interested in? So, although I serve as our family's executive director, I am not the sole decision makers of where, our our funding goes. We make these decisions collectively as a family, and

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Vivian Long: I help guide us through some of that as the executive director. But, you know, it's not just me or my mom or my dad making this decisions, we really do it together. And so you know, through these 5 areas of focus that we have established.

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Vivian Long: That's something that we've done in collaboration with each other. And what we said is, we're gonna have areas of focus every 5 years, and every 5 years we're going to re-examine them and say, Hey, is this still consistent with what the family is interested in? And the reason why we did. That is because we felt like 5 years is a commitment that we want to make to each of these areas. It was one year felt too short. but 10 years also

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Vivian Long: and so We said it 5 years. Should be enough time for us to say, Hey, do we really? you know, plant seeds in these 5 areas?

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Vivian Long: And is it also enough time for us to say, Hey, let's think of new areas. that we want to explore potentially. So that's kind of the cycle in which we're operating in right now. and we'll see kind of how it goes. We're about to conclude our first 5 year cycle in 2,024. So

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Vivian Long: yeah, that's that's a kind of how our foundation operates. And I think you know my my background coming from nonprofit understanding how nonprofits work the challenges that they face.

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Vivian Long: I think that has really helped inform the way that we partner and I think that there can be a lot of power dynamics that exist in traditional philanthropy, where the Funder has a lot more power, and oftentimes the nonprofit feels as they don't have very much power, and so we feel really responsible for trying to address that power dynamic and actually flip it and say, Hey, our nonprofit partners are the experts. They

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Vivian Long: they are the ones with the trust in the community. They are the ones doing the really hard work. How do we make sure that they are empowered and feel the strongest they can to do the work that we really rely on them for right? We couldn't do the the the philanthropists couldn't do any of this without the nonprofits, and so I think we really feel grateful to them more than anything for the work that they're doing.

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Marina Harper: Wonderful. Thank you, Vivian, for he must given us that contact here now, Mr. Peter, from your lens.

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Peter Ng: But, as I mentioned, I join our family association in Chinatown, like the Clan Association, Singapore.

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Peter Ng: so we help each other from the family standpoint, and then because we all share the same

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Peter Ng: last name. So we like family, even though we are not really directly related. From there we evolve into more of open to the extended family. So

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Peter Ng: I actually myself, I started out as a volunteer at time Time Service center. I join the board because I wanted to get back

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Peter Ng: and whatever I can, I also don't make my own money, and because I used to be run a business on my business. So I was actually on the giving side. But then, there is an opportunity that China also center needed someone to to help run. So the board asked me if I wanted to do that side.

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Peter Ng: It was a big change for me

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Peter Ng: that 10 years ago I switch from a for profit to a nonprofit. it's really a I was to me a little while to get used to asking for money instead of giving money. But after a while I am so grateful that because without

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Peter Ng: the funders to donors. It's just impossible for us to do it even though, that we have plenty of volunteer. But to be able to do a good job. You need professionals meaning people that really do it day in and day out. They would not have a chance to to make a living to help their own family if they keep on volunteering. Right? So so I'm very grateful that I'm involved with China now. Service Center is

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Peter Ng: and we are very fortunate that because all of the stop here because of the tradition with the long succession of predecessor that work here we help many. And and we all share the same passion

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Peter Ng: because we are not just doing a job, we helping people. So we have a couple of reward. So

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Peter Ng: we have this as a driving force to keep us going. Believe me, is it some time when you

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Peter Ng: and then and then the The donations from foundation is really a big boost for us when we see something that we, it's like we've been recognized. We're being in knowledge. So it gave us the energy to keep going. You just said, give you the energy In our own philanthropic studies of the Lilies family school. There is a terminology professionally. It's called the warm Glow.

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Marina Harper: The warm blow has been researched very deeply that philanthropies actually do benefit in health

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Marina Harper: because they have done experiments and measured. all this findings that when you give or you help, and you volunteer, you are actually producing happy hormones in your body.

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Marina Harper: and dolphins and oxytocin. These 2 things money cannot buy. Your body produces it, but to produce it, it's almost like you went for a run. But now, when you do this philanthropy at philanthropic action, whether it is just volunteering or giving money, anything you feel so good that you have an increase in, and dolphins and oxytocin in your body.

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Marina Harper: And this has been proven with data.

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Marina Harper: And the researcher who coined this, what one glow is Andreoni. So he's very important in our exams to know this terminology.

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Jiangang Zhu: So on that note, I go to Professor 2, and here from you from the China. Yeah, I'm I'm really touched the you how what you mentioned the the warm glow, some in my body. Actually, when I took part of my philanthropy journey, I always remember my grandmother who is actually

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Jiangang Zhu: she is a poor rural woman, but she, because she is a booty, so she always so the candidates to the people, you know we did, she and I I remember I just follow with with her to give the money into a beggar, or anyone you know vd to help she always give it a hand. So I think that's deeply in give give me very strong influence

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Jiangang Zhu: I actually, at the first time I was be becoming a warrant here, you know, Shanghai works for the slums, I think is actually the deep. Give me the info is the students from the university. actually, that appears on. They give me the encouragement, and we work together to do some service voluntary service at that time we don't know. This is the philanthropy. Actually, we just think that's a volunteer service, and it seems we can do something

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Jiangang Zhu: on the the the sort of the sort of man that come from the we. It's Alliance class. We see the organization from the United States. But I see the owning organization can be permitted to register in China. the people from the lines. Clubs come to us and say we can do once to something beyond the lines clubs. So we have the idea to build the community foundation.

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Jiangang Zhu: We send from the from the United States, or we. Then we work together. I I remember some leaders of the line stops us as a small she just very energetic, so very. Give some to always give the woman hands. Sometimes I remember my grandmother, that's a shame, that similar spirit, so the just the one to keep others.

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Jiangang Zhu: So we work together, and we try to make it a make the philanthropy professional make the feelings. We can be well organized community foundation is a really a new way in China on the window, and how to work together decide something together and to support the community which connect to many families.

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Jiangang Zhu: then we just as think as I to philanthropy is not a ways of the allocate to resources. Philanthropy should be the way to educate the person, educate the young people, education the philanthropy leaders, give some leadership for the philanthropy for the philanthropist. so we just to build a our school philanthropy in Guangzhou? I I I' it's very difficult to do that.

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Jiangang Zhu: The reason some money just to come from the the founders. But we still need to some people to understand the importance of the function of the education of the philanthropy. So we met someone someone. I remember someone from the Singapore

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Jiangang Zhu: It's from the League Foundation. he seems very. He seems a very good investment. The idea of e-mail. I think that's a strategic investment. If the gave them money to educate the people, to do the effective of philanthropy, to do the social innovation that maybe bring the real change of the china. So I think I, deeply influenced by him, I would just change our folks

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Jiangang Zhu: from the donation to the how to make this social chance. So society change. So this is a very strong connection with the philanthropy to the all the policy change. I think that's high deproof of our my fantastic journey. Thank you. Yes, yes, seeing how other people do it.

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Marina Harper: we are. I'm going to combine. Question 3 and 4 looking at time, we got about 12 min left. So question 3 is, what are some idiosyncrasies or identifying elements of chime business

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Marina Harper: in China, Prof. 2, or in diasporic Chinese communities, for example, Chinese Americans. So I go back to Liu to start this two-part question.

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Leo Chu: Sorry. What I said is, I think it's 3 parts. Oh, yeah. Your first part is the difference between the Chinese and also the American or the Western way of Philadelphia. The culture of and second party is what you said the question of before the whether the Chinese were passed down to the next generation in China and outside China.

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Marina Harper: That's basically 2 different questions. And talking about philanthropy in China, you cannot not talk about

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Leo Chu: politics. Okay. What Professor Chu said about is very, very true, based on the fact only on philanthropy.

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Leo Chu: Okay? Because now we are even afraid to do things in China. Okay? Because with all this national security laws, anything, anything can be

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Leo Chu: Okay? Because they have now a national security law that basically and pensive. Encompass everything.

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Leo Chu: Anything you say. Okay, you wear a yellow shit.

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Leo Chu: I mean, with that kind of circumstances, with that kind of of of you know, situation is very difficult.

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Leo Chu: Okay, but you can even see it.

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Leo Chu: not in China, but outside of China, too. So this makes sir, Finance repeat very difficult. Okay, pass on to the second generation. I'm not sure

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Leo Chu: I'm not sure. And doing philosophy in China is totally different than outside.

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Leo Chu: If you look at it. In the United States.

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Leo Chu: China's education is only 3.5% of Gdp education fund from government is only 3.5%.

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Leo Chu: So I cannot see how to compare, because there's nothing to compare.

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Leo Chu: because nothing to compare in philanthropy. In China, I mean, has been used so much political. I mean, it's not even funny. Okay, they have a fundraising, they say. Oh, I I will donate 1 million, and they never donate a penny.

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Leo Chu: But they already got the name printed in the newspaper in the next day. So and so, and they are actually no, no moral about whether you should pay on now. Okay for them. It's just, Hey, look, Nick, you!

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Leo Chu: So now the new things call, hey? It's called Old Document.

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Leo Chu: What happened yesterday? I know I had to feel it today.

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Leo Chu: Now all these politics involved makes it very difficult. and makes it more of a threatening situation.

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Leo Chu: As we all know, the politics of the United States with FBI, you know, convicted people. And so you know all these things not helping.

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Marina Harper: So how about in the Us for the Chinese, diasporic

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Marina Harper: Americans, Chinese, Americans? Let's just say.

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Leo Chu: I think the Chinese Americans. look at Vivian.

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Leo Chu: She's the best example. Okay, she's a generation next generation with only 30 years only for 30 years. Okay, is a big change

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Leo Chu: education system in China. I'm very involved with China, although I live here for 48 years. Okay, I I you know, I I volunteer for full time. I'm not. You can. But I have a chair

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Leo Chu: that I put up to study Shanghai culture in Shanghai history and culture. So this is what I think I should do. But

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Leo Chu: but there's no transparency. So you don't know what they're doing. You don't know what they should pay your money for? Okay, they don't have to tell you anything. Okay, you go there to visit them. They buy you a good lunch and goodbye to it, and you see them next year.

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Jiangang Zhu: Yeah, I I totally agree with the I'm now. China. Politics is a really big challenge.

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Jiangang Zhu: for me. From my personal re view, I totally disagree with the political situation now, but that's a reality. We have to face it. I study the desk part of Chinese to do the philanthropy in the in the hometown of the I mean they're coming from, I mean chosen, I mean, I I really feel some that's part of finance piece to. They don't like to donate money into the formal organization with.

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Jiangang Zhu: It's very transparent, and we don't know what the money in the going. So the one to just to give them money to the hometown, to the I mean the the the relatives, or the the way to people on this thing, because they can know how the money going. that's very important. That for the that's part of

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Jiangang Zhu: I should say even we have the very strictly policy to confine the finance of PC. For especially for that part of philanthropy. but there still some gaps.

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Jiangang Zhu: I'm still some spaces in the private private in the we cause the local in the local areas in the in the hometown of the That's part of people I'm in Chelsea, on the people. That's why I see the Chinese is of the philanthropy in China. it's be called a one. She I mean relationship

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Jiangang Zhu: personal race. Very important. So sometimes we can just as go away around the the formal institution. We try to find some push you you really trust? Then you can give the money directly to the some courses you, you think very important. And to some some people you really trust.

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Jiangang Zhu: it's still possible to do something in my experience, I really my, I was in Charleston. I always see the people just to avoid some formal I mean supervision. They just give them money directly to some project which they are interested in. to some people they really think that they really the single that it's it's available to to support that.

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Marina Harper: I know it's very difficult. It's really hard time now, but we are the philanthropy. We have some spirit of philanthropy. So always try to do something. Yeah. Yeah. So all my best to these people. What try? So how to do philanthropy in China. Now I better go on to Vivian and then to Peter on the question of identifying elements, of chineseness, of philanthropic action.

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Marina Harper: and how to pass it on to next generations. And we'll stay with Chinese Americans here. So Vivian.

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Vivian Long: sure. Well, a as Dr. Zoe alluded to earlier, our foundation actually helped start an initiative called the Global Chinese Philanthropy Initiative, and that was really born out of an interest from my father to look at similarities and differences between

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Vivian Long: Chinese philanthropists and Chinese American philanthropists, and you know what has been said is absolutely true. you know there are some similarities, and the similarities were that you know Chinese and Chinese Americans like to give to education and health care. Education by far was the number one priority for both of those

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Vivian Long: populations. But one of the major differences was this question around kind of like government intervention and government policy in the Us. Obviously, it's a little bit more hands off. And in the in China it's a little bit more hands on. So it was really interesting to do that study. And now the research is almost 10 years old, so we could probably do a refresher. But that was a really good baseline to learn about some of those similarities and differences.

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Vivian Long: I will say when it comes to the next generation. You know. One thing that gives me a lot of hope is that you know my generation has, I think, a more global view of the relationship between the Us. And China, and a a large part of that is because there's so many

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Vivian Long: Americans that have either worked for a long period of time, or have studied in China and vice versa. And so, you know, there's a lot more cross pollination. There's a lot more engagement between the 2 communities, I would say at my generations level, which I think is so important because the relationship between the Us and China is nuanced right? It is complicated.

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Vivian Long: But I think we all agree that it's extremely important. And you know it's important that we do all we can to make it something positive

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Vivian Long: one of the ways that we've been doing that is through an initiative called the next Gen. Leader Circle, and it's a partnership between China Institute and the Erica project. And they It's a group of, you know, young professionals who really care about the relationship between us and China, and we see philanthropy as being a really critical bridge to help bring these 2 these 2 countries together. And so

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Vivian Long: when we talk about you know, how do we pass this on. I think the next generation really sees the need for it, and I think one distinction between the older generation and the younger generation is that There's a desire to do philanthropy and community. There's, I think, an excitement when you get to do it in a group setting, whereas I think an old, you know that that's something that I'm not sure was as valued before. So I'm excited about that, and I'm I think that you know there's a lot of

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Marina Harper: Thank you, Vivian. All right, Peter. We have 2 min for you to summarize the what you feel about the identifying or into idiosyncrasies of chineseness in Philadelphia action, and how to pass down

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Peter Ng: we involved in many different organizations, and one of them is called Cisani, which is established 35 years ago. it's called Stands for the

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Peter Ng: help to Chinese Immigrant network. International. It comprise of 35 organization all over the world, and then we get together, and we what we observe is Also we were invited to China and to

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Peter Ng: to exchange ideas there was before the pandemic. And what we observed was, China is really trying hard because

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Peter Ng: they know that it's just necessary system. So they are trying to develop their own system there. And, Leo, you're the You. You're already going there. And you know what is like. So what we do is all these organization. They also grooming the next generation, the newcomers to join in. but I can see that

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Peter Ng: the politics definitely is not going to be an element at all, and and the Chinese Government knows it, and we here in the Us. Is prohibited. We we cannot, get politic involved in any other way out of way. We are not qualified for nonprofit, so it's quite easy for us but

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Peter Ng: that that the message it's already spread over there, but whether or not the the Chinese over there in in mainland, the whether they will carry that or not, that's up to them, but I think eventually they will recognize it. But it's important that we have a

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Peter Ng: oncoming stream of passionate new generation that's coming. Join us. So we can continue this mission. And with the

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Marina Harper: Thank you, Peter, and thank you to the panelists. There's so much hope that you all have, you know, talked about. And now I'm going to pass it back to profit domain

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Marina Harper: for her to close.

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Min Zhou: Well, thank you so much, Marina, for being this excellent moderator, and thank you for the all the panelists for this enlightening and stimulating discussion.

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Min Zhou: And I'm just I I have learned so much from you, and thank you. And then I'm also very deeply touched by your passion, your enthusiasm, your energy, your determination, and your contribution to this course and and also thank you for sharing your stories, and and also your experience of doing philanthropy, and I believe that the audience has benefit

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Min Zhou: as much as I, and have benefited a lot.

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Min Zhou: and thank you so much again, and also thank you for the audience for participating. And please also, John, me to thank our centers. Deputy Director Aaron Mira program, Coordinator, Gina Chan Ginny 10, our graduate student assistant, Lena, one and undergraduate student, Lydian, and for their hard work behind the the scene.

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Min Zhou: and thank you so much for coming. And good evening, and good morning. Now we have a 1510, 15 min break, and for the enroll. Students. Please come back to the same zoom room, and we will start again at 6, 30 on 9, 30, paging time. Thank you, and good night and good morning. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, thank you. Thank you so much.

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Marina Harper: Thank you, everyone.

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Min Zhou: Thank you, Peter. Thank you, Leo.

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Marina Harper: Thank you.